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tiger67
Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:22:47 AM
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Since icons in WMC/MM are only shown if they are top in the list in the "Available discs:" window.
For example if I have a offline DVD disc on top in the"Available discs:" window and a offline disc 2nd down and list my movies only Online Titles in WMC/MM I get a a disc icon overlay on the title.
If I have a online title on the top and a offline title 2nd down and then list only online titles, I get no disc overlay on my titles.
If I filter only online titles on my ipad or droid, I get only the titles that have only one online disc in the available discs section.

Since this problem has been known for some time and there has been no apparent sign from anyone at My Movies to fix this problem, can we at least get the option to move the "Available discs" up and down so our titles in WMC/MM and the filtered results on the Ipad or Driod MM apps look consistant?

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That up/down feature already exists but really should not be used as a work around for what is currently a limitiation in the system as it will most likely result in the contribution of invalid data if you or anyone forgets they have locally altered the disc order to something they should not have and then later contributes data.

AIUI the system currently assumes the first disc in a title would be the primary disc in the set and the title only has one status, not a online/offline per disc so the status of the first is used to determine the status of the title. Changing this would be a big job and there are other much more important things the developers need to get done.

A better fix to this which I think works is if you tick the hide the MCE inteface option for the discs you don't want.
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:16:54 PM
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andycob wrote:
That up/down feature already exists but really should not be used as a work around for what is currently a limitiation in the system as it will most likely result in the contribution of invalid data if you or anyone forgets they have locally altered the disc order to something they should not have and then later contributes data.

AIUI the system currently assumes the first disc in a title would be the primary disc in the set and the title only has one status, not a online/offline per disc so the status of the first is used to determine the status of the title. Changing this would be a big job and there are other much more important things the developers need to get done.

A better fix to this which I think works is if you tick the hide the MCE inteface option for the discs you don't want.


This new feature was not available to me until this morning as I just upgraded 4.02 to 4.03 last night.
If I hide this disc in the MCE interface as you suggest, I will not be able to see it's offline location when I look up this title in WMC/MM. Thanks for your tip but that will not work for me.
This agreed limitation and bug in My Movies does not work properly in the ipad or droid apps. Any title that two or more disc entries with one offline and one online nullifies the title from being show up during filtering and therefore my filtered results differ wildly between the computer and pads. If the title only has "one status" then my filtered results should be the same on WMC/MM and my droid and ipad.

Can you please explain the reason for having the ability to enter multiple "Available discs:" either Online or Offline if, "AIUI the system currently assumes the first disc in a title would be the primary disc in the set and the title only has one status, not a online/offline per disc so the status of the first is used to determine the status of the title".
What is the purpose of entering multiple discs if the title does not show these results in WMC/MM? Is this only information available when viewing CM?

Can you please put this disc hierarchy information somewhere obvious, as it is not obvious to what is happening in the program when it is running and filtering or listing on the front end creates confusing results.
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andycob
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The reason the discs are done individually is becasue each individual disc can be linked to a different file or folder, changer, location etc for selection and playback, for each disc to be playable each needs the individual ability to point to the necessary location seperately

However AIUI at least for the PC there is only one online/offline status per title so the title status is determined by the status of the first disc I believe when a title contains more than one disc. The filters and searches operate by title rather than by disc. That is one of the reasons the discs shuld be placed in order such main title then say a bonus disc in the discs tab. If you have the feature disc online and the bonus offline the title should show as online.

I can't comment on the apps that may or may not be down o a difference or bug in the way the apps handle the filters.

EDIT actually it seems the tiel should flag as online if any disc in it is online.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:20:14 AM
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andycob wrote:
The reason the discs are done individually is becasue each individual disc can be linked to a different file or folder, changer, location etc for selection and playback, for each disc to be playable each needs the individual ability to point to the necessary location seperately

However AIUI at least for the PC there is only one online/offline status per title so the title status is determined by the status of the first disc I believe when a title contains more than one disc. The filters and searches operate by title rather than by disc. That is one of the reasons the discs shuld be placed in order such main title then say a bonus disc in the discs tab. If you have the feature disc online and the bonus offline the title should show as online.

I can't comment on the apps that may or may not be down o a difference or bug in the way the apps handle the filters.


1. What is the AIUI?

"The filters and searches operate by title rather than by disc.
2. Please explain this as the filters in WMC/MM are called lists. Are you referring to these Lists?
This statement makes no sense as to the results I am getting in the lists results.
3. How does a list filter the listed variable in the title?

"That is one of the reasons the discs shuld be placed in order such main title then say a bonus disc in the discs tab."
4. Where is this discs tab you are referring to?
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Posted: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:16:42 AM

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Ah the perils of text speak AIUI (As I Understand It) which after checking it seems I didn'tYell Foot in mouth hence the edit added to my earlier post above I was either mistaken or things changed at some point in the past.

A title should flag as online if any disc in the title is set as online and I have gone and checked the icons displayed as well just to be sure that is working properly and indeed if any disc contained in a title is online the title will display the online icon (assuming it is enabled) and list/filter as online. Sorry what I said earlier in the thread was incorrect or out of date the ordering of the discs should have no effect. Your description of your problem made me think that could be the issue but if it ever was the case it is not in the current release.

Filters are accesed through the 'list' tab and you can create custom filters in Collection Management accessed from that option in addtion to the pre-defined lists/filters such as 'All titles' 'Online titles' 'Offline titles' etc. under the 'list' button.

The discs tab is the tab opened in Collection Maangement when you click the "Disc(s):" button, it has Assign Discs at the top of window, though in fact the ordering in there should not be as I have confirmed by testing the cause of any issues as regards a title flagging as offline or online.

My point was the list/filter is Online titles and not Online discs, and will return any title with at least one disc in it marked as online.

If you have not already done so please update to the latest build I just tested your original post about the icons displying or not based on which disc is first and I cannot reproduce it. If you have online and offline icons set to display you should get an online icon if any disc within the title is marked as online and and offline icon if all the discs in the title are marked offline.
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andycob wrote:
A title should flag as online if any disc in the title is set as online apparently.


Which is done this way as many users who perhaps have a title with "Blu-ray", "DVD" and "Bonus Material" discs will understand the disc as being online when just one disc, as an example the "Blu-ray" is online, and will only see the disc as offline when all discs are offline.

Therefore, a title in general is seen as online when one disc is online, and offline only when all discs are offline.
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