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binnerup wrote:We believe that the future of the functionality we have on WHS 2011 lies on a standard Windows 8 box. Using Windows 8 for a home server seems to be the direction everyone is predicting to be the best solution so far. http://www.wegotserved.com/2012/07/03/building-windows-8-home-server-introduction/
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The biggest advantages to having a server in the system are: The ability to server larger numbers of clients at the same time serving identical media. The drop and rip functionality is by far, very important. This feature makes it possible for my wife to add media, which is HUGE! The ability for ANYDVD* to apply updates automatically. The separate audio burning using LAME. Not having to depend on WMP for that is nice. Multiple disk copying is nice too. There may be more features that I have not mentioned, that's all that comes to mind right now. I am all for taking the server out of the loop to make the process simpler, I just wonder how serving up media to multiple rooms will work and will it work as well as it currently does. Lets face it, nobody wants to lose the functionality of the server platform, at least I don't anyway. * Installing and/or using AnyDVD is illegal in some countries. Users are themselves responsible for complying with local law when installing and using AnyDVD.
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At first I wasn't too happy about MS dropping WHS... but now that I've had some more time to think and research, I'm really looking forward to it.
Right now I run unRAID for my mass storage needs, and a separate box running WHS 2011. This works... but it has always bothered me that I'm running two boxes. But now that Windows 8 and Server 2012 has Storage Spaces, I hope that I can migrate all my unRAID data to Server 2012 and run all the other Windows applications (MyMovies, Sabnzbd, etc...) on that single box. Storage Spaces gives similar (actually better in my opinion) parity protection, as well as better redunancy backup features.
The one main thing keeping me from jumping on Server 2012 when it releases as RTM in early August, is that I don't know if MyMovies will be able to run on Server 2012. I would think/hope that it would since Windows 8 and Server 2012 are somewhat similar in their back-ends, but Brian did mention he's not going to support it. I hope that just means that he's not going to make a dashboard integration feature (which I'm more then fine with... I don't care for the dashboard). But I do hope that it at least runs on Server 2012 to host the client and database. I could always use Windows 8 on the server... but my preference is to use Server 2012.
Brian - Will MyMovies be allowed to install and work on Server 2012, except without the dashboard support?
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binnerup wrote:I strongly doubt we will be looking at Windows Server 2012.
Simply because the user base for a solution on such platform will be near to non existing. Windows Server 2012 is largely identical to Windows 8 from a desktop OS perspective. I would expect MyMovies to run on Server 2012, but not offer any server-specific integration or anything different from a Windows 8 installation. If the old version of SageTV for Windows 7 still works on Win 8 and Server 2012 (and WHS 2011) without ever being designed or tested on them, then I hope MyMovies could offer a single "Windows platform" approach as well. (BTW, the only reason I'm considering Server 2012 is the better performance offered by the ReFS on Storage Spaces. The Windows 8 implementation yields pretty terrible performance. For me, a Windows 8 solution would require a separate NAS (such as Synology) to give adequate read/write performance for recording HD TV while streaming HD to multiple clients. I prefer a single box Server 2012 solution.)
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I'd be happy with a single "Windows Platform" solution as well. Currently my external 5-bay eSata box is hooked up to my EX495 WHS 2011 box via eSata port that supports mSata enclosures. I use the SansDigital tr5mbp with 2TB drives. http://www.sansdigital.com/towerraid-plus/tr5mbp.htmlIt's one giant Drive Pool via StableBit DrivePool add-in. If I'm going to ditch home server in the future and switch to only ONE computer running 24/7 on Windows 8 I'd use DriveSpaces on my Shuttle Cube HTPC Media Center SX79R5 box http://global.shuttle.com/main/productsDetail?productId=1607Currently I'm out of PCI slots since it only comes with 2, and the eSata port it does have, doesn't support PortMultiplier. I just confirmed that I can install a mini PCIe mSata/eSata card part number MPX-3132 into my Shuttle SX79R5 cube HTPC's mini PCIe port to give me Multi-Port eSata/mSata capability. Response from commell.com.tw support: "Thanks for your inquiry. Yes, the MPX-3132 supports Port-Multiplier. The standard MPX-3132 comes with DF14 10pin to SATA, please see the picture on User's Manual page 3, http://www.commell.com.tw/Download/Manual/MPX-3132_Manual_V10.pdf If you require the eSATA port / function, you will need to change the standard cable to OALESATA-H10. I attached the cable mapping for your reference." (I put it on google docs) https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6S7AWF-NMvdRzV4Wkxob2hYNnMThis would give me an all-in-one solution for Media Center, and storage. For backups, I'd just schedule the built in backup/image Windows 8 has. For easy shares, I'd use Home Group. Done and Done. I'm not changing anything until RTM Windows 8 and all the various Media Center add-on's I like are known to work well. Currently MyChannelLogos doesn't work in Windows 8 for example. The dev said Microsoft locked some things down they were not locked down in Win 7. :-/ If I need a system to remote desktop into awhile away from home, I'll just have a VM of Win 7 or Win 8 running on the same box. (in case my Laptop is not online) I like LogmeIn.
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carlton bale wrote:binnerup wrote:I strongly doubt we will be looking at Windows Server 2012.
Simply because the user base for a solution on such platform will be near to non existing. Windows Server 2012 is largely identical to Windows 8 from a desktop OS perspective. I would expect MyMovies to run on Server 2012, but not offer any server-specific integration or anything different from a Windows 8 installation. If the old version of SageTV for Windows 7 still works on Win 8 and Server 2012 (and WHS 2011) without ever being designed or tested on them, then I hope MyMovies could offer a single "Windows platform" approach as well. (BTW, the only reason I'm considering Server 2012 is the better performance offered by the ReFS on Storage Spaces. The Windows 8 implementation yields pretty terrible performance. For me, a Windows 8 solution would require a separate NAS (such as Synology) to give adequate read/write performance for recording HD TV while streaming HD to multiple clients. I prefer a single box Server 2012 solution.) Tried installing the WHS2011 add-in to WS2012E today, as it supports all WHS 2011 addins (it already has a store called "PinPoint" that seems to aggregate these addins for easy installation). The problem for MyMovies seems to be the SQL server. I can't get that part of it to work. I really want to use WS2012E, so was hoping that it would at least run. Ah, well! I understand that Brian doesn't want to support WS21012E due to low users. I hope he will change his mind. Or at least look at it long enough to get it to at least run (and then leave us to our own devices!). Microsoft is clearly ditching WMC because of low user numbers, but at least we have a version given to us on Win8 that works. I don't want to have a box running my server and then another box running to host MM. :) Either way, there are always options moving forward! It's been a good run!
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Adding to my last post above, I'm ready to migrate everything to a single HTPC Windows 7 Media Center box immediately. I'll have to use DriveBender for now since StableBit DrivePool is for WHS only. I'm looking forward to knowing Windows 8 with DriveSpaces is ready for prime time. (Needs to support Xbox/Linksys extenders, and work with all my MCE plugins such as MyChannelLogos) Here's my MM Videos & DataBase migration plan with question so far: http://www.mymovies.dk/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=30748I ordered the eSata/mSata port multiplier mini pcie card I talked about above as well. I should have a tracking number soon. Until then I'm preparing by asking questions and thinking things through.
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dvdluvver wrote:Tried installing the WHS2011 add-in to WS2012E today, as it supports all WHS 2011 addins (it already has a store called "PinPoint" that seems to aggregate these addins for easy installation). The problem for MyMovies seems to be the SQL server. I can't get that part of it to work. I really want to use WS2012E, so was hoping that it would at least run. Ah, well! I had a pop at this as well. As far as I can tell My Movies tries to install SQL running under the NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE account which isn't allowed on a Domain Controller. Not sure if there is a way around that... Cheers Alan
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Managed to get this installed by manually installing SQL with a MYMOVIES instance. The only problem is that once installed you have no interface to anything i.e. no settings screen etc etc. To get around this I configured it on my WHS box and then exported the My Movies registry branch from there and imported that into my 2012 install. With that in place MM seemed to work and I was able to rip a movie and receive a popup on my Win 8 workstation telling me that the copy had completed successfully. Hardly a pretty solution but it shows there's no real technical reason for it not to work.
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Not using a Server myself. But from what I'm reading here in this thread the only reason I can think of for SQL not installing is that according to your posts Win Server 2012 is Win 8 based.
That being the case Win 8 will not accept Microsoft SQL 2005 Express. You will have to find and install Microsoft SQL Server 2008 R2 first. Then try to install MM.
Microsoft have already documented the fact that Win 8 will not run with SQL 2005.
Hope this is of some help to those of you that might be trying to get this to work.
The only thing is though, as this is a work around don't expect any help from the MM Support staff, as it's part of the standard install.
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snarbo wrote:Not using a Server myself. But from what I'm reading here in this thread the only reason I can think of for SQL not installing is that according to your posts Win Server 2012 is Win 8 based.
That being the case Win 8 will not accept Microsoft SQL 2005 Express. You will have to find and install Microsoft SQL Server 2008 R2 first. Then try to install MM.
Microsoft have already documented the fact that Win 8 will not run with SQL 2005.
Hope this is of some help to those of you that might be trying to get this to work.
The only thing is though, as this is a work around don't expect any help from the MM Support staff, as it's part of the standard install.
Steve Great! This shows promise! My guess is that whatever updates that will have to happen to get this to run on Win8 will move it closer to getting it to work on WS2012E as well. I hope that there can be some sort of compromise so that those of us that choose this solution will still be able to run MM. I really want the centralized management of a Server in my home. I don't want to just go back to a dumb box that serves files (even if it does have Storage Spaces). I'm going to give this a whirl. I know its unsupported, but "unsupported" never stopped me before! :) We'll just be our own little sub group of server junkies! :)
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snarbo wrote:Not using a Server myself. But from what I'm reading here in this thread the only reason I can think of for SQL not installing is that according to your posts Win Server 2012 is Win 8 based.
That being the case Win 8 will not accept Microsoft SQL 2005 Express. You will have to find and install Microsoft SQL Server 2008 R2 first. Then try to install MM.
Microsoft have already documented the fact that Win 8 will not run with SQL 2005.
Hope this is of some help to those of you that might be trying to get this to work.
The only thing is though, as this is a work around don't expect any help from the MM Support staff, as it's part of the standard install.
Steve Actually there is a new SQL Server 2012 version. Installing it on Server 2012 Essentials works fine. However, I can't get My Movies to install after that - it still seems to try to install SQL 2005 Express... Has anyone successfully tried this? What are the steps I need to take? Thanks, teq
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Windows Server 2012 Essentials is not supported currently by My Movies.
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binnerup wrote:Windows Server 2012 Essentials is not supported currently by My Movies. If and when it is, I'm going to upgrade my server :)
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We are currently working on moving our WHS functionality to a standard Windows version, which have a higher priority for us.
This is due to the fact that Server 2012 Essentials is a $425 license, which is not ideal for home usage.
With such license price, it will be interesting for users with technet or msdn subscriptions, but not as much for the oridinary user, which is needed for us to have a resonable user base.
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You guessed right, I have msdn. It makes business sense to keep things focused on what's best for the majority of everyone. Thanks for potentially keeping/adding server 2012 support though. My server is set to auto-login so I don't have to worry about apps running as services. Would this mean I/we could potentially use the future "standard" windows version of my movies on server 2012 as well?
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jazjon wrote:binnerup wrote:Windows Server 2012 Essentials is not supported currently by My Movies. If and when it is, I'm going to upgrade my server :) Well, I think that the current base of WHS2011 can still continue with their configuration as WHS2011 just will not have any new development. But, my upgrade path will not be to a Windows 8 client. It will be to Windows Server 2012 Essentials, and I do not plan to put another Windows 8 client in just to run My Movies services to support my (3) other clients. To me My Movies on WHS2011 is a SERVICE. And I have other services that I not see moving to a Client, like centralized backups, and Remote access Point of ACCESS from the Intenet. I am sorry that you are looking at a Client on steroids to handle SERVICE work. But with your method, you are actually costing me more money to have to have separate Windows 8 client and the storage to run My Movies consolidated functionality when I move to WS2012E. Not a good long term strategy. 
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This is just where, although it may be the ideal solution for you, for the majority of users, Windows Server 2012 Essentials will remain a business product, and not a home product.
As we base our software on home users, this is just not the ideal place to look.
However, Windows Home Server 2011 exists throughout 2013, and I expect that we surely will continue support on that platform.
It depends also a lot on which platform our professional parts will be looking at, and I strongly doubt that will be 2012 Essentials, due to the price point.
So, support for 2012 Essentials will be done if it is something we can do without it being a project that requires a lot of work, but right now, it is not supported.
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I try to stay out of these topics, but it looks like no matter what, if you are currrently using WHS 2011 you will have a costly upgrade to either platform.
I have two home media servers, one for My movies, remote access in from the internet and my client backups for the house and one for SageTV and it's function with that I also use and use with My Movies. Both being services, I chose this route for low cost servers and low cost software.
I am concerned moving to either windows 8 or 2012 essential. It will not be easy or cheap to change from whs 2011. Both servers are i3 based and i hope that if I go the Windows 8 route that my hardware will not bog down on some bloated W8 operating system or have to add more memory or processors.
As I see it I will have to pay over $200 for W8 on two machines or over $800 to go to 2012 Foundation. I hope My Movies does support whs 2011 for at least another year, as it seems to be a large change for everyone.
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Since WHS 2011 will be available throughout 2013, I do not believe we will stop support for that until the product is no longer available.
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