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Hi, I've read the new boxset's contribution rules, and I would like to have your confirmation/clarification on the following: 1) Old boxset titles that are linked to induvidual titles having their own barcode should have their individual titles replaced by new individual titles with a generic barcode 12 zeros (example: title 7321906209599 - Ocean's Complete Collection, which is linked to the titles 7321906182441, 7321906182472 and 7321906139179). 2) About the sort title : by reading the new boxset contribution guide, I understand (even if it's not clearly written) that the boxset's sort title shouldn't have the "00" sorting numerical value. But in the main title contribution guide, it is still stated that one should use the "00" sorting numerical value : Quote:If a boxset is generally regarded as a series use the same sorting standard as you would normally use with individual profiles, but use 00 as the number, with the Box Set Details appended to the end. Example using "The Lord of the Rings Trilogy" containing 3 films:
Lord of the Rings, The 00: Trilogy
Lord of the Rings, The 01: The Fellowship of the Ring
Lord of the Rings, The 02: The Two Towers
Lord of the Rings, The 03: The Return of the King So what is the right understanding ? Thank you for your much appreciated help Marc
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Please take care to note the changes between 4.02 and 4.03 you are following the old 4.02 standard. Brian has now removed the old version entirely.
Strictly for 4.03 the sorting policy for box sets it is the title of the box set then the number then':' then the film title in full so for the box set - 'The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy'.
The sort of the box set would be:
Lord of the Rings, The: The Motion Picture Trilogy
Then the individual films would be:
Lord of the Rings, The: The Motion Picture Trilogy 01: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Lord of the Rings, The: The Motion Picture Trilogy 02: The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
Lord of the Rings, The: The Motion Picture Trilogy 03: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
You may find that these extremely long sorts can reach the character limit in the box if so just enter as much as possible up to the limit but this title is something of an exception for length.
So simply sorts for the sub profiles are:
Box Set Title, number':' Film Title
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andycob wrote:Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy, The
or possibly 'Lord of the Rings, The: The Motion Picture Trilogy' might also be accpeted Only this is correct: Lord of the Rings, The: The Motion Picture Trilogy Where have you ever seen documentation saying this is acceptable?: Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy, The
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Hi andycob, Thank you for your quick reply! It confirms what I understood. But nevertheless the main contribution guide should be updated in order to avoid any confusion. The quote I was refering to is still published. See point "Sort" at the following URL. Have you got any idea regarding my first question ? Quote:1) Old boxset titles that are linked to induvidual titles having their own barcode should have their individual titles replaced by new individual titles with a generic barcode 12 zeros (example: title 7321906209599 - Ocean's Complete Collection, which is linked to the titles 7321906182441, 7321906182472 and 7321906139179). Thank you, Marc
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You previously would have just used a barcoded profile if the child profile had a barcode, therefor only 1 copy of the title in the system. Now, all child profiles must be unique, and use "000000000000" even if they have a barcode. There are several reasons for that, such as to allow you to have the same title as both an independent item, and as part of the box set. The functionality in the server side basically makes child profiles detached from the service in general use and can only be added to your collection when the box set parent is added. (The child profiles do not need to be available to users outside of a box set.)
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Thats the guide for dealing with sorts when not dealing with a box set. Thats the sort setup for standalone releases. Look here for box sets http://www.mymovies.dk/how-to/written-documentation.aspx?Page=Contributing%20Box%20SetsPrevious to 4.03 the box set was something a user made manually and users would use the barcoded profiles if a box set contained boxes within it that had their own barcodes. As making a box set associates the profiles of the sub title with the box set this will casue issues where the same release with the same barcode is also sold seperately for users that own that but not the box set. Thus when making a box set in 4.03 the profile for a sub title should use 000000000000 codes even though they can effectively be a copy of a profile that has a barcode when the same release has been sold seperately. That way users with the individual release are not affected by what happens with the box set.
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Thank you to both of you, it clarifies things to me ! As reply to andycop, I do understand that the contribution guide I was refering to is the contribution guide for standalone releases, but still it contains information related to boxsets. This is an extract of it : Quote:If a boxset is generally regarded as a series use the same sorting standard as you would normally use with individual profiles, but use 00 as the number, with the Box Set Details appended to the end. Example using "The Lord of the Rings Trilogy" containing 3 films:
Lord of the Rings, The 00: Trilogy
Lord of the Rings, The 01: The Fellowship of the Ring
Lord of the Rings, The 02: The Two Towers
Lord of the Rings, The 03: The Return of the King
This is the inconsitency that I was pointing out. So, I think that, in order to avoid any further confusion, this piece of text should be adapted or simply removed...  But again, thank you guys for your much appreciated help!  Marc
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I know lostinva has changed it.
There was a certain amount of legacy info in there from the older arrangement should be gone now. We had both for awhile to allow for users still using the odler versions.
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Thank you guys  Marc
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Hi.
I am new to this, so I'd better ask, because for me it is not clear at all how to handle box sets now.
My example: 7321921215919 German Stanley Kubrick Collection
Adding this box, no child DVDs are added.
The DVDs in the box have individual barcodes.
It would be wrong to add the barcoded individual titels as childs of the box, right?
So, I have to create an individual 12 zero title of Eyes Wide Shut for example, but how do I know, that this title wasn't created before?
Or are 12 zero titles associated to a box every time, so that it would be added automatically if it exists?
And If the titles are associated as 12 zero childs to a parent box, will the individual childs be found in the title filter search?
A lot of questions.
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1. Yes. In fact, you cannot contribute child profiles with real barcodes, it won't let you. Box set child profiles will always be "000000000000".
2. Because of the way box sets were handled in the past, if it had a barcode, then it probably wouldn't have had a 0's version. If you want to check for sure, just search by title, country, and format instead of barcode, and use the "preview" option to identify a profile with the 0's barcode and identical cover.
If a 0's version that correctly matches the box set, then you should use this, instead of creating a new one.
If only the barcoded version exists, save yourself some time by making a copy of it, then change the barcode to 0's.
Make sure in either case, that you use the correct Sort format, as it is different than the way it is handled for regular profiles.
3. Once the box set it contributed to the service with child profiles (linked in "series/box set" tool), the system will do one (or both) of these when adding the box set to a collection:
a) if any of the child profiles were already in your collection, it will move these to the box set
b) if any of the child profiles are not in your collection, it will ask if you want to download and add them to the box set
Prior to 4.03, there was not actual linking. You had to search for the titles and add them manually.
4. Presently, no, I don't believe so.
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Thank you for the quick reply. Ok, I already searched by title and preview and Eyes Wide Shut don't match a 12 zero versio, so I have to create a zero profile and contribute it to the web service. lostinva wrote:4. Presently, no, I don't believe so. That is something to improve. I really want to find the films included in box sets by search. Regards.
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fmst wrote:Thank you for the quick reply. Ok, I already searched by title and preview and Eyes Wide Shut don't match a 12 zero versio, so I have to create a zero profile and contribute it to the web service. lostinva wrote:4. Presently, no, I don't believe so. That is something to improve. I really want to find the films included in box sets by search. Regards. You do not need to Create and then add to the WebService before creating the Box Set version. Just Create the Child Profiles that Need to be Created add details pertaining to that Movie in it's own 000000000000 barcoded Profile. Add all relevant 000000000000 Child Profiles to the Parent 7321921215919 German Stanley Kubrick Collection. Then having made sure all Profiles comply with the Contribution Rules with the Parent Profile highlighted in Collection Management go to Title Contribute Title Data and Cover This will then upload all Data and all Covers for both the Parent and All attached Child Profiles in one go. Steve
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I'll try. Thank you.
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