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iansilv
Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:53:06 PM

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This is really simple- if the cover you are contributing does not match the barcode for the title you are submitting it for, DO NOT SUBMIT IT.

I came across a title yesterday where someone had actually done a cheap photoshop job to not show the barcode. Let me be clear about something- all covers are to be the closest possible ORIGINAL, UN-ALTERED covers for the titles they are for.

Do not contribute altered covers, or what you think the cover should be.

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Hi!

I am all for that, and is what is agreed. But basically what you are talking about is false bar codes right? Well fellow moderator Spinman actually recommended doing that a couple of days ago:

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If you care about the disc id - then yes, you would need to enter the sub-titles with the 12-0's (unless the same disc id was used for another UPC for the same title).
If you don't care about the disc id and the dvd covers - you could download and attach another upc for the same title.


First I was surprised to see a moderator not pushing the importance of Disc ID, but secondly, he is clearly advocating that you can use whatever UPC you want even if it is not on your box. In this case it was a multiple disc title which he recommended to break up into a box set and importing the discs as separate titles using whatever cover that could be found on the web. In theory perhaps that could satisfy the current rules (although it is misusing the concepts of multi disc titles and box sets); but then there is no guarantee that a submitted Disc ID is correctly associated with the correct bar code as they may be downloading just any old version from any country. That to me has the same basic problem as falsifying the bar code.

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I don't really know what to say here. I think Brian needs to chime in.

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dbjorck wrote:
Hi!

I am all for that, and is what is agreed. But basically what you are talking about is false bar codes right? Well fellow moderator Spinman actually recommended doing that a couple of days ago:

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If you care about the disc id - then yes, you would need to enter the sub-titles with the 12-0's (unless the same disc id was used for another UPC for the same title).
If you don't care about the disc id and the dvd covers - you could download and attach another upc for the same title.


First I was surprised to see a moderator not pushing the importance of Disc ID, but secondly, he is clearly advocating that you can use whatever UPC you want even if it is not on your box. In this case it was a multiple disc title which he recommended to break up into a box set and importing the discs as separate titles using whatever cover that could be found on the web. In theory perhaps that could satisfy the current rules (although it is misusing the concepts of multi disc titles and box sets); but then there is no guarantee that a submitted Disc ID is correctly associated with the correct bar code as they may be downloading just any old version from any country. That to me has the same basic problem as falsifying the bar code.

Brgds

Danny



You have completely misunderstood and misrepresented my comments.
I did not recommend uploading incorrect data to the web service.

To paraphrase, I repeated something that Brian has suggested in the past - if you are not particular as to which bar code you have in your local database (especially for box sets) - you can choose to utilize an existing webservice database entry that does not match the specific bar code and disc id for your title. While I would not do it myself, and would not recommend others do it - I see no harm to the webservice if someone chooses to utilize that "short-cut".

Of course, I always recomend that everyone submit accurate and complete information. And because everyone always does - there is no need to report incorrect data, as it does not exist (remove tongue from cheek).

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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:58:13 AM
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Hi!

Aaah, yes I see now, if you get the whole title from the Webservice it could work, but you only wrote "download" and I thought you meant get the cover from Amazon for instance. But it assumes that the uploaded title already has the right Disc ID - many title's don't. If it doesn't, there is a risk that the user creates the Disc ID and updates the WebService with the wrong ID for the wrong bar code. Even if the user says they are not interested in Disc ID's now, it may well be they are in the future, in order to get extra points and get more functionality.

Brgds

Danny
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"Blah blah blah I'm Spinman I know all!"

Freakin' five star rating... Wink

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Theres something else i'm sure i've noticed, people just resizing covers so that they can complete posts


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If you see the following items:

- Users contributing disc id's that does not belong to the barcode of the title.
- Users resizing covers just to get rid of the "improveable" posts.

These things should be reported right away to a moderator, with specific information that users do that. There is no problem in users making mistakes, but we do not tolerate cheaters that does this on purpose.

Our moderation guide says the following:

"If a contribution mistake clearly is done on purpose only to receive points, and we are certain that it is not only a mistake on the users part, we issue a 250 point removal along with the warning issuing. It is very important that we are certain that it is done on purpose."

and

"When issuing the third warning with 250 point removal, the warning should be issues just as normal, and the description should include information that the users account will be excluded. At that point, request a user account deactivation on the moderators forum, and we will get it deactivated as soon as possible."

Which basically means, three of those "on purpose" items, and you are out.

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Hi!

Yes, that's fair. But how can you see that it is the wrong Disc ID for the bar code to begin with? If there is already a Disc ID in the Web Service, I for one do not normally reread it, I just assume it is correct. And even if I did, how could it be shown that it was done on purpose, and not because of some MM/AnyDVD* problem (such as it not being properly disabled before reading the ID)?

Brgds

Danny

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The WebService holds a lot more details about disc that end-users can see.

This means that a moderator for most disc id's can determine if the disc is actually an original belonging to the title.

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Cool! Then we are on a very good track indeed.

I guess this is what enables Online Disc ID?

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Can you confirm something else for me please? I dont have a scanner, but have a lot of movies which are not already on the webservice. It's possible for me to download a front and back cover from http://www.cdcovers.cc/covers for example, but they're often custom covers without any barcode on the back.

The covers are high quality in the right dimensions, and when contributing it states something like - "please be sure you are contributing the correct back cover with the correct barcode, however covers without any barcode are fine" or, this is what I understand it to mean.

Is this the case, as I feel that a new title on the webservice with a good looking front and back cover is better then no cover. Or, am I better off using the cover, but not contributing it to the webservice? That way someone with a proper scan can get the points, but I still have a good looking title on my media center??

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i think there's some legal thing about downloading image from say imbd and then uploading it to mymovies webservice
as legally you in breach of copyright and mymovies could get done for it

but not entirely sure, but would say one of the mods or brian can give better advice on this


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bramblepants wrote:
Can you confirm something else for me please? I dont have a scanner, but have a lot of movies which are not already on the webservice. It's possible for me to download a front and back cover from http://www.cdcovers.cc/covers for example, but they're often custom covers without any barcode on the back.


You can, IF you yourself can confirm that it is not a custom cover - meaning that you have the cover in hand, and can confirm that the one you have found is the correct one.

We do not want custom covers in the system.

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Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I think I'll have to go through my database and make sure I haven't uploaded any custom ones then!
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Just to be clear. It is ok to contribute titles that do not include bar codes on the back? This is the case for DVDs purchased in places like India. A friend of mine gave me a couple of DVDs from there which he picked up during a recent visit. They are actually quite well known classics, namely Sholay and Mother India.

Here's what the back cover of Sholay looks like (sorry, I haven't cropped it yet):



So I would be ok to contribute these titles, correct?
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pclausen wrote:
Just to be clear. It is ok to contribute titles that do not include bar codes on the back?


Yes, you may create a "000000000000" barcode title and contribute that with such cover.

It is NOT ok to add such cover to a title that has a barcode, unless you are 110% sure that the cover you have actually was sold with that barcode.


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Question about this.

I recently input two movies in to my local system and one movie into the online database. The movie(s) was the Steelbook edition of the Transformers DVD. The movie came with two different cases, and two different UPC codes, one Autobots and one Decepticons.

When I entered the UPC of the Decepticons version it came up as unknown so I proceeded to add it to the system. When I run a search for the Autobots version of the case via its UPC code it is not found by the system either, but I did not upload anything to do with the title as the difference is only in the case, not the movie.

Should this one be uploaded to the system as well?

Second question. Steelbook titles, in general, do not have UPC codes on the back of the case itself, but rather they are on a hard paper card that is packaged with the case. The card has all the info about the title, including UPC, sound formats, subtitles, ...... When creating an entry for a Steelbook title, what should be scanned as the back cover, the case back, which is generally just artwork, or the card itself?

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I'm a little pissed off at the moment.
I have submitted a lot to mymovies but I just recieved a warning;

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You have contributed to a title on the My Movies WebService, where your contribution does not follow the Contribution Guide.

The title in question is:

Title: Mother, Jugs & Speed
Barcode: 024543113232

This warning was issued by a moderator, who wrote the following message to you:

"Cover Art" Warning:
This is your 2nd warning regarding incorrect contributions. - The back cover art you are trying to contribute to the WS is incorrect for this title. You are trying to replace a back cover with a barcode with a back cover art with NO barcode.

This warning came from someone called "JessZeus"
-0-0-0-0-

As I have written to him, This IS the correct artwork.
I just bought this movie from the usa and the cover has a white sticker over the barcode, The barcode was further placed as a sticker on the outside of the plastic box.

I am also not sure what my first warning was for????? Probably the sarah brighman cover that I tried to submit that your system wouldnt except - see this post: http://www.mymovies.dk/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=11871

I would appriociate these "warnings" removed please because you seem to be punishing people who are actually contributing legitimately - the amount of covers in your databse that I have had to correct is quite large and I really feel like not bothering anymore.

Edit: the cover in question
http://img21.yfrog.com/i/motherg.jpg/

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ian_g wrote:
I'm a little pissed off at the moment.
I have submitted a lot to mymovies but I just recieved a warning;

-0-0-0-0-
You have contributed to a title on the My Movies WebService, where your contribution does not follow the Contribution Guide.

The title in question is:

Title: Mother, Jugs & Speed
Barcode: 024543113232

This warning was issued by a moderator, who wrote the following message to you:

"Cover Art" Warning:
This is your 2nd warning regarding incorrect contributions. - The back cover art you are trying to contribute to the WS is incorrect for this title. You are trying to replace a back cover with a barcode with a back cover art with NO barcode.

This warning came from someone called "JessZeus"
-0-0-0-0-

As I have written to him, This IS the correct artwork.
I just bought this movie from the usa and the cover has a white sticker over the barcode, The barcode was further placed as a sticker on the outside of the plastic box.

I am also not sure what my first warning was for????? Probably the sarah brighman cover that I tried to submit that your system wouldnt except - see this post: http://www.mymovies.dk/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=11871

I would appriociate these "warnings" removed please because you seem to be punishing people who are actually contributing legitimately - the amount of covers in your databse that I have had to correct is quite large and I really feel like not bothering anymore.

Edit: the cover in question
http://img21.yfrog.com/i/motherg.jpg/


Hi, Ian -
I have checked multiple sources for this particular barcode and all these sources have a back cover with the barcode displayed.
The link you provided shows a full cover scan that, indeed, does have a sticker covering the barcode. The current covers in the Webservice have the barcode displayed.

There are 2 problems here:
1- There are sometimes multiple editions, releases of a dvd with multiple barcodes and if you contribute a full cover scan where the barcode is obscured - the moderator approving the covers for admission to the Webservice has no possible way of verifying whether the covers are a)for the right barcode, and b)even legitimate.
2- We prefer covers with the barcodes displayed, so if you are submitting a cover with an obscurred barcode over an existing cover that has a visible barcode - it will most likely be declined.

If you want to contribute the covers, you'll just have to peel that white sticker off of the back so that the barcode is visible. It's visible once that white sticker is removed, I assume? Like I mentioned, every single source that I've found shows the covers with a barcode clearly visible - the only reference to a cover without a visible barcode is the link you provided.

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