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deprongmori
Posted: Thursday, June 30, 2022 2:01:30 AM
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akalliaridis wrote:
Is there a clear ruling on how the Blu-Ray keep cases without the blue top section should be submitted? The non-branded cases where the insert fills the whole case, as they did with Std. keep cases. For example, the cases that Criterion use for their keep case releases, and that Powerhouse Indicator use for their limited editions.

They are Low HD cases in physical size, but since front cover proportions are different, the Keep Case (HD, Low) selection triggers the Front Cover Area warnings for the scans.

Looking over my recent collection additions, there seem to be no set standard that contributors are following. Among the ten most recent examples of these cases, five of them are set as Keep Case (HD Low) and five are set as Keep Case (Std). As they are a hybrid of the two, I can see the arguments for both, and would appreciate a clarification before I contribute another one.


Can we please get this fixed? I'm running the current pre-release version.

Full case height covers in Scanavo "Keep Case (HD, Low)" cases is the standard cover proportion for Criterion, Arrow, Indicator, and many others -- and now BFI and Eureka (since the old Amaray cases with the gap at the top have been discontinued). It is the "new normal" for boutique labels. There are thousands of Blu-rays in my own collection at this point which have prompted me with Front Cover Area warnings when I've scanned them and submitted them, and they all erroneously list "Improvable: Front Cover Area, Back Cover Area" in the status bar at the top of the page. Thanks.
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I am not sure what to fix really - the fact that they are saying the aspect ratios are not correct?

Try to post:

- Photos of front and back of the cover.
- A cover scan, with a few mm. space on all sides (so that you have not yourself already cropped it).
- Barcode of the title.

Then I will take a look.

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Posted: Monday, July 4, 2022 11:29:48 PM
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Here is an uncropped image, a cropped image, and screen grabs of: the unneeded* prompt for the front cover on submission, the unneeded* prompt for the back cover on submission, the erroneous "Improvable: Front Cover Area, Back Cover Area" status. (Note: The "_uncropped" was uploaded as a jpg because the png was apparently too large and caused an error.)

* "unneeded" because these covers are standard, common, and correct for full-height covers in standard Scanavo "Keep Case (HD, Low)" cases. They should be recognized as such. See the list of labels that use these cases in my previous post -- there are likely many others.

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Can I get a photo of the actual case please?

As I see this, this is not a standard Blu-ray case, with the top and bottom, and therefore it is no different from a box set in a different case type.

Notice that these informations are coming because the system expects a standard Blu-ray case size, and warns if it is not, as 95% of all are - only way we can remove these warnings for other case sizes is by not having them at all, and this is not a benefit for the many situations where users crops incorrectly.

Notice that "Improveable" comes only if you select a keep case low, which this is not - if you select keep case, which it comes closer to, you do not hav this.

The Keep Case (Low) is the normal Blu-ray case size, where you have top and bottom of the case.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 10:56:11 AM
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The case is exactly the same height and thickness as all the other “Keepcase (HD, Low)” cases (i.e., boutique label Blu-ray cases - see image 1) and all are shorter than a “Keepcase (Std)” (i.e., DVD case - see image 2).

In image 1, the “Keepcase (HD, Low)” cases to the right and left are manufactured by Amaray, the one in the center is manufactured by Scanavo. All Blu-rays issued by Criterion in a plastic case are in Scanavo cases. Every Blu-ray issued by Indicator in a plastic case is in a Scanavo case. BFI used to release their Blu-rays in Amaray cases, but now issue them in Scanavo cases, as I believe the Amaray cases are no longer being manufactured. I have literally on the order of 1000 Blu-rays issued in Scanavo cases. The major difference between a Scanavo case and an Amaray case is that the Scanavo case uses a taller cover image as it does not have the transparent bar with the Blu-ray logo, so features full-case-height covers.

NOTE: The full-case-height covers on the Scanavo Blu-ray cases is *much* shorter the the cover height on a “Keepcase (Std)” (i.e., DVD) case. See image 2.

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The "problem" here is that the middle of the pictures covers might have the same case size, but the cover inside it is totally different from a standard Blu-ray case.

This is not something we can extend the default suggest cropping size for unless we remove it, and since the majority of titles are still of the ordinary type, the warning to check cover cropping must be accepted for non-standard cover types.

The case itself may be the same size, but the paper is significantly different - this is also only a warning to check that it is correct.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 10:44:28 PM
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As there are only two valid configurations for covers in "Keepcase (HD, Low)" cases (short Amaray and tall Scanavo covers), isn't it possible to do the dimension-testing as an A-B test within this case type? (If there is ever a third, you could use a table.) That is, for the case type "Keepcase (HD, Low)":

"IF (front cover dimensions within spec for Amaray) AND (back cover dimensions within spec for Amaray)
THEN proceed to save
ELSE
IF (front cover dimensions within spec for Scanavo) AND (back cover dimensions within spec for Scanavo)
THEN proceed to save
ELSE prompt user for confirmation for front and back cover dimensions and set status to IMPROVABLE COVERS"
binnerup
Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 7:50:00 AM

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No, because it opens it up too - there is a percentage that it accepts, and applying that percentage to both would mean that a very high percentage of wrong dimension tiltes will get approved incorrectly.

Do notice here that this is simply a message asking you to check - it is not an error - 95% of all the titles are within the standard case type and it therefore asks you to confirm if you are outside that.

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Posted: Sunday, July 31, 2022 12:51:27 AM
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akalliaridis wrote:
Is there a clear ruling on how the Blu-Ray keep cases without the blue top section should be submitted? The non-branded cases where the insert fills the whole case, as they did with Std. keep cases. For example, the cases that Criterion use for their keep case releases, and that Powerhouse Indicator use for their limited editions.

They are Low HD cases in physical size, but since front cover proportions are different, the Keep Case (HD, Low) selection triggers the Front Cover Area warnings for the scans.

Looking over my recent collection additions, there seem to be no set standard that contributors are following. Among the ten most recent examples of these cases, five of them are set as Keep Case (HD Low) and five are set as Keep Case (Std). As they are a hybrid of the two, I can see the arguments for both, and would appreciate a clarification before I contribute another one.


Re: the above, could a moderator clarify whether these Criterion/Indicator/new BFI/etc. Scanavo Blu-ray cases with full height artwork should be classified as "Keepcase (HD, Low)" or "Keepcase (Std.)"? For some reason, while the cover images throw a warning and keep a status of "Improvable" when classified as "Keepcase (HD, Low)" during import of a full cover, they apparently don't when doing so with "Keepcase (Std.)", which is strange because the height of the cover art is drastically different between the Scanavo case cover art and DVD cover art. (I associate "Keepcase (Std.)" with standard DVD cases -- much taller than the Scanavo Blu-ray cases.)

As I've got ~1000+ of these, and expect to always be adding more, I'd also like to make sure I add and maintain them properly in the database moving forward. Thanks.
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Posted: Sunday, July 31, 2022 8:21:00 PM

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They lie somewhere in between, and it is difficult to do a clear ruling on them - but my suggestion is to classify them as keep case standard.

They are not really any of the two types.

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