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binnerup
Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:26:32 PM

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Hi all,

Now we have had a WebService for 1½ month or so, and during this period, I can see that 10% of all registred users have contributed to the WebService - these 10% is of only the ones who actually created an account, there are a lot of users who did not create an account. I would like to have this number increased, but I would like your inputs on how to do so, without making the program worse.

Next version will feature the Online Collection feature, which off cause requires a created user account - I don't think requireing a user account for all loading from the WebService is a good idea, because it may drive people away from it, and onto external providers.

My plan is to make some "features" or benefits that requires a specific number of contribution points.

What will be done for version 2.30 is:

- Online Collection feature can only include titles that are "My Movies only", which means no external provider data here. This is more a technical thing than a political thing though.

- Online Collection feature will have an 460x68 pixel banner on top of it, which you can turn off if you have 1.000 contribution points within the last year.

What I could do for future versions to improve it is:

- Totally remove external providers from the program. Very drastic, I know, it's a suggestion.

- Online Collection feature has the option to password protect it, I could require 1.000 contribution points to do so.

- Increaste the 24 hour limit on full actor list updates and make it 72 hours (three days), and make it 3 hours for users with a specific amount of contribution points.

- The Online Collection feature has a default of 72 dpi image quality (~50 kb), I could lower this to 36 dpi (~20 kb) per default, and increase it to 125 dpi (~100 kb) for users with a specific amount of contribution points.

I would like your inputs on things that could be done to improve the percentage of users taking part in building the database, like a help others and it will benefit yourself thing.

What do you think, are there non-essential items in the existing functionality that we could require a specific amount of contribution points to unlock, or could you see some new non-essential functionalities we could add to benefit contributing users?

I must point out that this should be (for now) non-essential functionalities. Later on I have no problem in requiring contribution points for essential functionalities, however for essential functionalities this should be easy to get, like a minimum of 250 points, ect.

Notice that installations done by System Builders will not have these limitations, instead the WebService confirms the System Builders key.

Regards,

Brian




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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:59:08 PM
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That’s not a good thing for me because some titles I add on my base was rented on a DVD rent shop, copied online and deleted from the hard drive after I have see the movie.
The problem is that some title on rent shop is not available on the same time that is out for buy.

For example:
The title Love Song (original title: A love song for Bobby Long), is out for rent, but not for buy. The availability date to buy is 18/04/2007.

So with these titles I use the external provider to have information’s and there are no covers and no bar-codes to can add it on the Webservice.

If you made these changes, I think many users don’t want to install the new version.
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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:48:58 PM

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Just talking out loud -

DVD profiler provides low quality scans with their free version. For higher quality scans (if they even exist) - you need the paid version.

DVD profiler seems to update their database weekly - I can run updates on Tuesdays (DVD release day) and get updated data. The rest of the week no additional updated info is available. I know the schedule - so I don't need to constantly keep trying to see if there are any new updates.

Once the database is updated and more complete - there won't be the need to constantly update titles and profiles. Instead of every 3 hrs or 24 hrs - probably would need to run an update once a week to obtain any beneficial, noticeable updates.

Perhaps some folks don't / can't contribute (as the database grows - there will be less available titles to input and correct - [I know, wishful thinking]). Once your collection is up to date - your points accumulation will decline / stop. How can you get the better features with no points being generated?

Privacy is important. You should be able to use the program and download info w/o providing your identity. Uploads are a different issue - mainly because of the points accumulation issue and the responsibility for submitted data accuracy.

Should points expire, or merely be consumed? Let's say that I have 5,000 points. IF I need 1,000 points to turn off banners, where would I get 1,000 points next year to turn off banners again? Perhaps my 5,000 points could be used for future periods (5 years of no banners)...
binnerup
Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:31:35 PM

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zzdez: I agree, it was a very drastic suggestion, but again, only a suggestion, not likely to happen. I was asking your suggestions on what to do.


Spinman: The low quality scans I don't like - i'd like all users to get a good usage of the program, low res covers would not give you that.

About the points, it can be either points generated at any time, it could de-grade over the years, or it could be it needs to be gained within the last year, I don't know, what I do know is that the people I wan't to benefit here is generally everyone who contribute - they should have a benefit over the user who decided not to take part at all. I agree that when all titles in your collection is 100%, it's hard to contribute, and if this becomes the case in the future, hurray, but this really isen't likely to become an issue any time soon. If that will be the case, there is no need for these limitations, and we can just remove them again.

I will update the website at some point with lists of popular titles without covers, with non-100% complete status, ect., this will give users the option to take part of improving data that is not in their collection if they whish.

Problem right now is that based on downloads of version 2.20, which is around 35.000 of the final version, lets say that this is 20.000 users effective who installed it - with this, we are on around 10% of the users who installed it that has created an account (as you only need an account to contribute or batch update actors), and only 10% of these users have gained contribution points. The result is that we are near 1-2% of the users installing who currently takes part in contributing, this number is most likely to increase, but if it's doubles to 2-4%, I still think it's way to low a number, I haven't got a problem with users not wanting to take part, I just wan't to give benefits to users that do.

With that said, I must say that I feel good about the improvement and data complete increase on the webservice - it goes well, however I can see we need some kind of moderation, but that is another issue.

Regards,

Brian

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:08:48 PM
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I like the ways to keep users contibuting even after the comprtition is over ;] I also suggest to remove the external sources, but again so many users still use it and you can lose a lot of users if youo exclude it anytime soon
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I’m OK with Slig: If you remove the external sources, many users still use it and you can lose a lot of users if you exclude it anytime soon. You must found a way to maintain both External and My Movies sources.
By the example I have written in my last message, the job to add manually the casting, bio etc…Is very long and hard, and for titles that is not out for buy, there is no covers and Bar-code. So these titles can’t be found on the Web Service because contribution is not possible without bare-code…right?
Another thing is for users that have Divx…I think many users use My Movies with Divx that is not out on DVD. Sure that’s not legal, but you can lose these users.
If I can make suggestions, why don’t propose a pay version to unlock some limitations or unlock these limitations after user have contributed of XX points but maintain both external and Webservice sources?
I think a compromise can be found to satisfy all users.
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Posted: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:03:24 PM

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I have decided on the DPI thing for the online collection.

This means users with 0-499 points gets covers in 36 dpi, 500-1499 points gets covers in 72 dpi, and 1500-> gets them in 108 dpi.

If you are interested in how the online collection part will look, have a look at the current working version:

http://collection.mymovies.name/Default.aspx?username=demonstration

Regards,

Brian

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Posted: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:25:20 PM
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Binnerup wrote:
I have decided on the DPI thing for the online collection.

This means users with 0-499 points gets covers in 36 dpi, 500-1499 points gets covers in 72 dpi, and 1500-> gets them in 108 dpi.

If you are interested in how the online collection part will look, have a look at the current working version:

http://collection.mymovies.name/Default.aspx?username=demonstration

Regards,

Brian


I totally understand your problem and I think the idea of having some features being tied to points has the potential to drive up contribution, I also agree with other folks that by doing so, or by removing some stuff (like external providers) you will make a few people un-happy but I see the Web Service as being of paramount importance to the future of My Movies so maybe its the right thing to do.

If you do remove the external providers I recomend making it so others can register providers with CM and release a the current IMDB sources in a pubic manner and maybe somone willl take it over or add new ones removing your obligation to maintain it; this would be the 1st step in building a developer community for My Movies.

Also, as a points driven feature consider this; I beleive I won a DVD with introduction movies on it; this is cool and all but I watch all my movies in My Movies and it doesnt support a setting (in CM) that plays a intro video before playing the main movie this would be a good points based feature btw :)

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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:23:39 AM

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Removing external data provider was a very drastic approch, and it is very unlikely to happen.

I generally added it because I was hoping it would make people pay attention, and suggest a lot of other things that was not that drastic that could be done.

Fact is that I will now start by introducing these new feature things that requires points, and leave external providers where they are.

But, if we in six months or a year from now still have less than 5% of the user ever earned a contribution point, I may be more drastic.

And even more drastic approch could be that when you have reached 50 titles in your collection, you must have 100 contribution points to add more.

I just want your input on what we could do here to improve this number.

Regards,

Brian

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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:49:18 PM
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Binnerup wrote:

And even more drastic approch could be that when you have reached 50 titles in your collection, you must have 100 contribution points to add more.

I actualy think this is a great idea

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ryan_hurst wrote:
Binnerup wrote:

And even more drastic approch could be that when you have reached 50 titles in your collection, you must have 100 contribution points to add more.

I actualy think this is a great idea


How do you get more contribution points if you can't add any more titles?
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Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:48:20 PM

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danneh3826: You can always add more titles - you are very welcome to add titles that aren't in your collection that are not 100% and contribute to these.

Titles where the internet icon shows when search for titles are based on external providers - contributing these can give you up to 35 points per profile.

First part is though to make sure all your own titles are 100%.

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Brian

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brian

checking some of my titles such as csi boxsets that are already according to the webservice on 100%

i sent report incorrect data files for EIGHT box sets where someone has completed them to 100% BUT only put disc1 when i fact the box set has three discs each

however the auto email from mymovies said thanks for the incorrect report


BUT awarded me no points is this right :-)

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amcross: When you receive the thank you e-mail, please press "Reply" on that to reply directly back to the moderator.

The moderator should be able to tell you why you did not receive points for it.

Notice that you only receive points for other peoples mistakes - not your own.

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cheers brian


defo not my mistakes :-0

i'll update thread when i get an answer

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It happens the opposite to me: i'm receiving the points earned for my contributions, but not the confirming e-mail, strange, isn't it?
And it's not a question of waiting or busy moderators (good job, all you folks!): i've correctly received two days ago the e-mail for movies contributed the day before but not some others for previous movies...
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bald wrote:
It happens the opposite to me: i'm receiving the points earned for my contributions, but not the confirming e-mail, strange, isn't it?
And it's not a question of waiting or busy moderators (good job, all you folks!): i've correctly received two days ago the e-mail for movies contributed the day before but not some others for previous movies...


If you're getting points then the emails were sent. Its all part of the process of "handling" a error report. When we award points, the report is closed and the email is sent. If you're not getting the emails, then they are being blocked or going in your spam filter.

I do know everything, just not all at once. It's a virtual memory problem.
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If you think you are not receiving points for an error report, please check the e-mail you receive, and see check in the e-mail how many points it said you received for the report.

Notice that the moderators when handling the reports must decide how many points to reward, based on the reported problem being your own creation, or similar.

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Is there a function that will list all the user's contribution's and points earned (or not per title) without clicking on each title individually? Like maybe a list of everything aligned with points to be earned and points allocated? If that makes sense, like an excel column or something similar.

Reason I'm asking is I haven't really kept a track of contributions and points earned, I haven't received any emails since 4 Nov. Actually I may talk to the people that host my mail as well just to try and take that out of the equation (hasn't been any non-SPAM email's caught in my SPAM solution).
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I just have a quick question about earning contribution points for box sets. If I'm understanding the guidelines correctly and please correct me if I'm wrong, but can I not earn full credit for a box set contribution. The individual movies although fully completed would have a 000000000000 barcode thus making them ineligible for points. The main title box also would be ineligible for full points because so many fields are meant to be kept empty. It's hard for me to believe that a box set, being so much more work, would yield so few points. Is this the case?
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