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What will it take to fully support 4K Covers/cases as Dune meta data? The cover/case for a 4K UHD barcoded movie shows as HD DVD on the Dune. It appears there are multiple png files for over under and selected and not selected for HD DVD. Anyone know of a guide to put all the parts in place including the xml and templates. I'd be happy to follow and attempt to add it to one of the TomX templates as a start.

Also would like to create icons for Atmos and DTS:X.

Are any of the original experts still here?

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What will it take to fully support 4K Covers/cases as Dune meta data? The cover/case for a 4K UHD barcoded movie shows as HD DVD on the Dune. It appears there are multiple png files for over under and selected and not selected for HD DVD. Anyone know of a guide to put all the parts in place including the xml and templates. I'd be happy to follow and attempt to add it to one of the TomX templates as a start.

Also would like to create icons for Atmos and DTS:X.

Are any of the original experts still here?

good luck, i have been asking for these for a long time.

i created my own icons for DTS:X, Atmos, 4K, HEVC.....i also had to create seperate templates for Blu-ray and UHD, as MyMovies has 0 Support. i also found i had to force DTS:X as it ID's it as Blank, and i wrote a windows bat file to switch between Blu-ray templates and UHD.

i have working TomX 3 Templates for this setup. but i modified it a bit, let me know if you would like them

see screenshot below:

i also attached the icons

spl147, thank you! These icons look great. I use the TomX 3 template so yes I'd love to have them.

I've made a few modifications to template and icon files in the past but have only a high level understanding since I simply updated what was in place. Couple initial questions but I'll probably have more after I see the template and bat file:

1)"I also had to create separate templates for Blu-ray and UHD" -- does this mean that when meta data is created that MyMovies meta data generator is not looking in xml template to locate png files to use as covers mapped to UHD. I have noticed that meta data creation "lightly" associates HD DVD so I though maybe that HD DVD was last in order of precedence and kind of acted as a default. Problem is it does not appear to apply fully for selected and not selected. Don't have HD DVD so I was considering just using it but replacing the covers. What do you think?

2) Sounds the same for DTS:X in meta data creation. MyMovies does not map it in a way so template can associate it with an icon -- correct? I'll be curious how you force it.

3) What do you mean by having to switch between templates? Do you run the bat file to fix settings to use template for BluRay and then witch it when generating UHD? I was a PC programmer back to the days of DOS so I'm good with reading bat file if you would share it.

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1: blu-ray and UHD both use the Blu-ray case in overview. (have not attemped to create a UHD case yet
2: correct
3: 1 template is for Blu-ray with the forced DTS:X if Other, and the Other is For UHD with Forced DTS:X if Other. when you run the bat it switches the template to UHD Storage and Waits for key presses to switch back to Blu-ray

attached is the templates and the Bat file:

I see how you're using blank to set meta data for the newer formats

<Image Height="103" Width="186" Y="980" X="732" Missing="Blank.png">FileType-4K_UHD.png</Image>

<Image Height="103" Width="186" Y="980" X="918" Missing="Blank.png">Format-HEVC.png</Image>

<Image Height="103" Width="168" Y="980" X="1662" Missing="AudioType-DTS-X.png">AudioType-{MediaInfoAudioType}.png</Image>

<Image Height="103" Width="94" Y="980" X="1830" Missing="AudioChannels-.png">AudioChannels-{MediaInfoAudioChannels}.png</Image>

Does the following from the uhd .xml template indicate MyMovies does map out to 4k for meta data creation? If so, I'll take a shot at replicating either the BluRay or HDD DVD covers to use black and the UHD logo like the covers.

-<Image ContainProportions="True" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="270" MaxWidth="241" Type="4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

-<Image ContainProportions="False" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="283" MaxWidth="251" Type="Selected-4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Selected-Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Selected-Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

The biggest difference I see between the two xml files is that one has the mapping to 4k cover using bluray icon and the other does not. Can you help me understand the difference between these two versions? From your desription, I can tell its a workaround to fix the DTS:X mapping being missing but I can't grasp exactly how?

Thanks so much. I'll share the UHD cases as soon as I'm finished.

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spl147 wrote:

hart2hart wrote:

spl147 wrote:

1: blu-ray and UHD both use the Blu-ray case in overview. (have not attemped to create a UHD case yet
2: correct
3: 1 template is for Blu-ray with the forced DTS:X if Other, and the Other is For UHD with Forced DTS:X if Other. when you run the bat it switches the template to UHD Storage and Waits for key presses to switch back to Blu-ray

attached is the templates and the Bat file:

I see how you're using blank to set meta data for the newer formats

<Image Height="103" Width="186" Y="980" X="732" Missing="Blank.png">FileType-4K_UHD.png</Image>

<Image Height="103" Width="186" Y="980" X="918" Missing="Blank.png">Format-HEVC.png</Image>

<Image Height="103" Width="168" Y="980" X="1662" Missing="AudioType-DTS-X.png">AudioType-{MediaInfoAudioType}.png</Image>

<Image Height="103" Width="94" Y="980" X="1830" Missing="AudioChannels-.png">AudioChannels-{MediaInfoAudioChannels}.png</Image>

Does the following from the uhd .xml template indicate MyMovies does map out to 4k for meta data creation? If so, I'll take a shot at replicating either the BluRay or HDD DVD covers to use black and the UHD logo like the covers.

-<Image ContainProportions="True" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="270" MaxWidth="241" Type="4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

-<Image ContainProportions="False" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="283" MaxWidth="251" Type="Selected-4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Selected-Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Selected-Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

The biggest difference I see between the two xml files is that one has the mapping to 4k cover using bluray icon and the other does not. Can you help me understand the difference between these two versions? From your desription, I can tell its a workaround to fix the DTS:X mapping being missing but I can't grasp exactly how?

Thanks so much. I'll share the UHD cases as soon as I'm finished.

the uhd template forces the use of the 4K icon, the HEVC icon, and the 2160P resolution

both templates use:
<Image Height="103" Width="168" Y="980" X="1662" Missing="AudioType-DTS-X.png">AudioType-{MediaInfoAudioType}.png</Image>

to fix the DTS:X issue as DTS:X ALWAYS Shows as Missing, so i forced DTS:X to be used for missing

the blu-ray template forces the 1080P resolution as it is not usually set properly

the following is a work in progress and not yet working, it was the end of the day yesterday:
-<Image ContainProportions="True" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="270" MaxWidth="241" Type="4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

-<Image ContainProportions="False" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="283" MaxWidth="251" Type="Selected-4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Selected-Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Selected-Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

I'm getting closer to understanding. Didn't know that Dune meta data creation had holes from the past like 1080p that you were having to account for. In looking atthe icons, I see BluRay-Over.png and BluRay-Under.png in addition to the slected and not selected versions. I don't see them mentioned by name in the template file. Do you know if they and how they are used?

Given the two templates, if you need to regenerate all metadata how does the bat file get invoked or is this switched as you generate meta data for a specific title? I've only got a few 4k titles so I could generate all meta data and then go back and filter by category to generate revised meta data for the 4k titles. Is that the intent?

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hart2hart wrote:

spl147 wrote:

hart2hart wrote:

spl147 wrote:

1: blu-ray and UHD both use the Blu-ray case in overview. (have not attemped to create a UHD case yet
2: correct
3: 1 template is for Blu-ray with the forced DTS:X if Other, and the Other is For UHD with Forced DTS:X if Other. when you run the bat it switches the template to UHD Storage and Waits for key presses to switch back to Blu-ray

attached is the templates and the Bat file:

I see how you're using blank to set meta data for the newer formats

<Image Height="103" Width="186" Y="980" X="732" Missing="Blank.png">FileType-4K_UHD.png</Image>

<Image Height="103" Width="186" Y="980" X="918" Missing="Blank.png">Format-HEVC.png</Image>

<Image Height="103" Width="168" Y="980" X="1662" Missing="AudioType-DTS-X.png">AudioType-{MediaInfoAudioType}.png</Image>

<Image Height="103" Width="94" Y="980" X="1830" Missing="AudioChannels-.png">AudioChannels-{MediaInfoAudioChannels}.png</Image>

Does the following from the uhd .xml template indicate MyMovies does map out to 4k for meta data creation? If so, I'll take a shot at replicating either the BluRay or HDD DVD covers to use black and the UHD logo like the covers.

-<Image ContainProportions="True" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="270" MaxWidth="241" Type="4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

-<Image ContainProportions="False" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="283" MaxWidth="251" Type="Selected-4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Selected-Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Selected-Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

The biggest difference I see between the two xml files is that one has the mapping to 4k cover using bluray icon and the other does not. Can you help me understand the difference between these two versions? From your desription, I can tell its a workaround to fix the DTS:X mapping being missing but I can't grasp exactly how?

Thanks so much. I'll share the UHD cases as soon as I'm finished.

the uhd template forces the use of the 4K icon, the HEVC icon, and the 2160P resolution

both templates use:
<Image Height="103" Width="168" Y="980" X="1662" Missing="AudioType-DTS-X.png">AudioType-{MediaInfoAudioType}.png</Image>

to fix the DTS:X issue as DTS:X ALWAYS Shows as Missing, so i forced DTS:X to be used for missing

the blu-ray template forces the 1080P resolution as it is not usually set properly

the following is a work in progress and not yet working, it was the end of the day yesterday:
-<Image ContainProportions="True" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="270" MaxWidth="241" Type="4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

-<Image ContainProportions="False" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="283" MaxWidth="251" Type="Selected-4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Selected-Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Selected-Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

I'm getting closer to understanding. Didn't know that Dune meta data creation had holes from the past like 1080p that you were having to account for. In looking atthe icons, I see BluRay-Over.png and BluRay-Under.png in addition to the slected and not selected versions. I don't see them mentioned by name in the template file. Do you know if they and how they are used?

Given the two templates, if you need to regenerate all metadata how does the bat file get invoked or is this switched as you generate meta data for a specific title? I've only got a few 4k titles so I could generate all meta data and then go back and filter by category to generate revised meta data for the 4k titles. Is that the intent?

yes that is the intent of the bat file, use the bluray template to regenerate, the switch to the uhd template to fix the 4K titles.

if binnerup would fix it properly, none of this would be necessary!

i find it to be quite sad we we must create our own work arounds to fix software that is constantly behind the curve!

like the MacOS v2 software they just released with no support for Dune at all. but still has support for the DEAD Mede8er Brand!

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hart2hart wrote:

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yes that is the intent of the bat file, use the bluray template to regenerate, the switch to the uhd template to fix the 4K titles.

if binnerup would fix it properly, none of this would be necessary!

i find it to be quite sad we we must create our own work arounds to fix software that is constantly behind the curve!

like the MacOS v2 software they just released with no support for Dune at all. but still has support for the DEAD Mede8er Brand!

I'll add my voice to requesting that we can get changes made to the underlying code. With the move away from WMC, it appears natural to support platforms like Dune.

I still don't get the Over and Under fully but will keep looking.

I've created rough drafts of 4K UHD covers for not selected and selected. What do you think?

very nicely done!

the Under is the case itself, and the over is the glossy top that simulates the clear plastic of a disc case

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very nicely done!

the Under is the case itself, and the over is the glossy top that simulates the clear plastic of a disc case

Thanks, You've done a great job getting icons and templates moved forward so glad I can contribute. To finish the set, I created over and under files just don't know where they get used yet. :-)

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spl147 wrote:

hart2hart wrote:

spl147 wrote:

very nicely done!

the Under is the case itself, and the over is the glossy top that simulates the clear plastic of a disc case

Thanks, You've done a great job getting icons and templates moved forward so glad I can contribute. To finish the set, I created over and under files just don't know where they get used yet. :-)

here are my changes to the uhd template to use the covers:

Code:

<TitleImages Preference="Cover">
      <Image Type="4K Ultra HD" MaxWidth="235" MaxHeight="264" PositionX="16" PositionY="51" ContainProportions="True">
          <ImageBefore>4K Ultra HD-Before.png</ImageBefore>
          <ImageAfter>4K Ultra HD-After.png</ImageAfter>

          
          
      </Image>
      <Image Type="Selected-4K Ultra HD" MaxWidth="248" MaxHeight="275" PositionX="14" PositionY="52" ContainProportions="False">
          <ImageBefore>Selected-4K Ultra HD-Before.png</ImageBefore>
          <ImageAfter>Selected-4K Ultra HD-After.png</ImageAfter>
      </Image>
      
  </TitleImages>

Thanks. I renamed the cover files to follow naming convention and attached it. I'll have to compare my TomX 3 to yours. I made several changes to it and didn't document them (I know better. It was stuff like number of rows and columns in summaries etc) so I'll have to isolate my changes and combine them.

Right now though I'm going to enjoy the weather and get exercise by taking a bicycle ride.

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spl147 wrote:

hart2hart wrote:

spl147 wrote:

very nicely done!

the Under is the case itself, and the over is the glossy top that simulates the clear plastic of a disc case

Thanks, You've done a great job getting icons and templates moved forward so glad I can contribute. To finish the set, I created over and under files just don't know where they get used yet. :-)

here are my changes to the uhd template to use the covers:

Code:

<TitleImages Preference="Cover">
      <Image Type="4K Ultra HD" MaxWidth="235" MaxHeight="264" PositionX="16" PositionY="51" ContainProportions="True">
          <ImageBefore>4K Ultra HD-Before.png</ImageBefore>
          <ImageAfter>4K Ultra HD-After.png</ImageAfter>

          
          
      </Image>
      <Image Type="Selected-4K Ultra HD" MaxWidth="248" MaxHeight="275" PositionX="14" PositionY="52" ContainProportions="False">
          <ImageBefore>Selected-4K Ultra HD-Before.png</ImageBefore>
          <ImageAfter>Selected-4K Ultra HD-After.png</ImageAfter>
      </Image>
      
  </TitleImages>

I got held up from riding so comparing files and it is a lot to look at :-). Do you know locations where you made changes to support the correct icons being used such as 1080 vs 2160 DTS:X etc? I've put in the covers selection but don't want to miss one of the other areas.

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hart2hart wrote:

spl147 wrote:

the uhd template forces the use of the 4K icon, the HEVC icon, and the 2160P resolution

both templates use:
<Image Height="103" Width="168" Y="980" X="1662" Missing="AudioType-DTS-X.png">AudioType-{MediaInfoAudioType}.png</Image>

to fix the DTS:X issue as DTS:X ALWAYS Shows as Missing, so i forced DTS:X to be used for missing

the blu-ray template forces the 1080P resolution as it is not usually set properly

the following is a work in progress and not yet working, it was the end of the day yesterday:
-<Image ContainProportions="True" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="270" MaxWidth="241" Type="4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

-<Image ContainProportions="False" PositionY="46" PositionX="14" MaxHeight="283" MaxWidth="251" Type="Selected-4K Ultra HD">

<ImageBefore>Selected-Blu-ray-Before.png</ImageBefore>

<ImageAfter>Selected-Blu-ray-After.png</ImageAfter>

</Image>

Had little more time and I can see your 1080P and 2160P lines in the template. Could you describe how this is working specific to each resolution and what issue you were working around? I've got a few DVDs and they usually register as NTSC. With all the other icons, the naming convention is Prefix-"specific_value".png, Does the resolution work another way? I can't find any png files that have other resolutions such as 720P, NTSC, PAL such as Format-1080P.png or maybe Resolution-1080P as I can see that Format- is used for another purpose for example Format-DIVX.png and Format-MPEG.png.

I'm certain the reason DTS:X has to be worked around is that : is not valid in filenames so AudioType-DTS:X.png is not a valid file name. To fix this all they would have to do is change audio selection to DTS X or as you compensated with DTS-X. I know its not correct but that : limitation goes all the way back to DOS file names and other operating file systems. Usually a designator of drive letter.

With file types, does the iso file for a UHD title get read as simply a BluRay ISO when you select it as a online file? No big deal but could they determine it was UHD ISO when reading the file?

i am only storing mkv from blu-ray disc and uhd disc so these 2 templates encompass all my storage needs

the resolution icon is dynamic and is written on save to the blank.png there is no specific .png

DTS:X is not a naming restriction, it's just not implimented properly in mymovies, it never did work. and i was told it's not a priority

my blu-ray template forces the bluray icon because i like it better then the mkv icon...LOL

i don't think they have uhd implemented at all. i don't use iso so i could not comment on it's usability

the changes for the icons along the bottom are ALL here:

<Image X="732" Y="980" Width="186" Height="103" Missing="Blank.png">FileType-Blu-ray.png</Image> as you can see the blu-ray.png is forced

<Image X="918" Y="980" Width="186" Height="103" Missing="Blank.png">Format-{MediaInfoSimpleFormat}.png</Image> this is the codec format

<Image X="1104" Y="980" Width="186" Height="103">Blank.png</Image> this is the black.png the resolution is written on
<Text X="1104" Y="1013" Width="182" Height="103" FontFace="Arial" FontStyle="Bold" FontSize="30" Color="White" TextAlign="Center">1080P</Text> this is were 1080P is forced

<Image X="1290" Y="980" Width="186" Height="103" Missing="AspectRatio-Other.png">AspectRatio-{MediaInfoAspectRatioSimple}.png</Image> this is the aspect ratio.png

<Image X="1476" Y="980" Width="186" Height="103">Blank.png</Image> this is the blank.png the FPS is written on
<MediaInfoFPS X="1503" Y="999" Width="75" Height="80" FontFace="Arial" FontStyle="Bold" FontSize="50" Color="White" Split="." SplitDisplayNumber="0" TextAlign="Right"/> this is the large 2 numbers in FPS
<Text X="1567" Y="999" Width="25" Height="80" FontFace="Arial" FontStyle="Bold" FontSize="50" Color="White" TextAlign="Right">.</Text> this is the . in FPS
<Text X="1575" Y="1006" Width="75" Height="80" FontFace="Arial" FontStyle="Bold" FontSize="20" Color="White">Fps</Text> this is the letters FPS
<MediaInfoFPS X="1584" Y="1026" Width="186" Height="80" FontFace="Arial" FontStyle="Bold" FontSize="20" Color="White" Split="." SplitDisplayNumber="1"/> this is the 3 numbers after the . in FPS

<Image X="1662" Y="980" Width="168" Height="103" Missing="AudioType-DTS-X.png">AudioType-{MediaInfoAudioType}.png</Image> this is the Audio codec, forced to DTS:X is missing
<Image X="1830" Y="980" Width="94" Height="103" Missing="AudioChannels-.png">AudioChannels-{MediaInfoAudioChannels}.png</Image> This is the audio channels, forced to object based if missing
</Content>

Also you NEED to select online folder NOT online file

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